Addicted to Oil and Drunk on Ethanol

As President Bush goes to Brazil in search of the secret to how they have used ethanol to become "energy independent", many media outlets are starting to catch on that ethanol may not be as great as it has been promised. There are several strains of this out there in the mainstream media, but not as well summarized as a recent Associated Press piece titled "Biofuels Boom Raises Tough Questions" that pulled most of these together into one place.

It starts off with perhaps the best description of the Ethanol situation.

"America is drunk on ethanol"

America is addicted to oil. Getting drunk on (corn) ethanol does not seem like the way out, just a temporary biofuel bender before we figure out that we live in an energy constrained world.

The article explains what ethanol is, how it differs from gasoline in Energy Return on Energy Invested in plain English and how it may not be the answer to our energy predictament.

It first asks the surprisingly obvious question of "Is Ethanol better than Gasoline?"

For all the environmental and economic troubles it causes, gasoline turns out to be a remarkably efficient automobile fuel. The energy required to pump crude out of the ground, refine it and transport it from oil well to gas tank is about 6 percent of the energy in the gasoline itself. Ethanol is much less efficient, especially when it is made from corn.

So it's not as efficient as gasoline? Fine, but it's renewable right?

Just growing corn requires expending energy -- plowing, planting, fertilizing and harvesting all require machinery that burns fossil fuel. Modern agriculture relies on large amounts of fertilizer and pesticides, both of which are produced by methods that consume fossil fuels.

Oh, so it relies on fossil fuels to a degree. But we can produce it locally here in the US, so it must cost less to transport, right?

Then there's the cost of transporting the corn to an ethanol plant, where the fermentation and distillation processes consume yet more energy. Finally, there's the cost of transporting the fuel to filling stations. And because ethanol is more corrosive than gasoline, it can't be pumped through relatively efficient pipelines, but must be transported by rail or tanker truck.

Hmm, ok but it must still be worth it in the end right?

In the end, even the most generous analysts estimate that it takes the energy equivalent of three gallons of ethanol to make four gallons of the stuff. Some even argue that it takes more energy to produce ethanol from corn than you get out of it, but most agricultural economists think that's a stretch.

Making ethanol is so profitable, thanks to government subsidies and continued high oil prices, that plants are proliferating throughout the Corn Belt. Iowa, the nation's top corn-producing state, is projected to have so many ethanol plants by 2008 it could easily find itself importing corn in order to feed them.

But that depends on the Invisible Hand. Making ethanol is profitable when oil is costly and corn is cheap. And the 51 cent-a-gallon federal subsidy doesn't hurt. But oil prices are off from last year's peaks and corn has doubled in price over the past year, from about $2 to $4 a bushel, thanks mostly to demand from ethanol producers.

Well this must be a rude awakening for auto driving America. We can't just switch fuels for our gas tanks. It's good to see this stuff making it out into the mainstream media.

The higher corn prices affect many basic commodities like beer, breakfast cereal and tortillas.

High corn prices are causing social unrest in Mexico, where the government has tried to mollify angry consumers by slapping price controls on tortillas. Lester R. Brown, president of the Earth Policy Institute, predicts food riots in other major corn-importing countries if something isn't done.

U.S. consumers will soon feel the effects of high corn prices as well, if they haven't already, because virtually everything Americans put in their mouths starts as corn. There's corn flakes, corn chips, corn nuts, and hundreds of other processed foods that don't even have the word corn in them. There's corn in the occasional pint of beer and shot of whisky. And don't forget high fructose corn syrup, a sweetener that is added to soft drinks, baked goods, candy and a lot of things that aren't even sweet.

Some freaks even eat it off the cob.

But it doesn't stop there. Go a bit further up the food chain and prices are going up even more:

It's true that animals eat more than half of the corn produced in America; guess who eats them? On Friday the Agriculture Department announced that beef, pork and chicken will soon cost consumers more thanks to the demand of ethanol for corn.

It's also true that there's a difference between edible sweet corn and the feed corn that's used for ethanol production. But because farmers try to grow the most profitable crop they can, higher prices for feed corn tend to discourage the production of sweet corn. That decreases its supply, driving the price of sweet corn up, too.

The article also bursts the bubble many people have about ethanol that despite all the trade-offs, it really isn't helping us get to energy independence.

America's appetite for corn is enormous. But Americans consume so much gasoline that all the corn in the world couldn't make enough ethanol to slake the nation's lust for transportation fuels. Last year ethanol production used 12 percent of the U.S. corn harvest, but it replaced only 2.8 percent of the nation's gasoline consumption.

But perhaps the problem isn't ethanol, but the feedstock? Corn is not the best feedstock, but perhaps something else is?

Ethanol would be more beneficial both environmentally and economically if scientists could figure out how to make it from a nonfood plant that could be grown without the need for fertilizers, pesticides and other inputs. Researchers are currently working on methods to do just that, making ethanol from the cellulose in a wide variety of plants, including poplar trees, switchgrass and cornstalks.

But plant cellulose is more difficult to break down than the starch in corn kernels. That's why people eat corn instead of grass. Plus it tastes better.

There are also technical hurdles related to separating, digesting and fermenting the cellulose fiber. Though it can be done, making ethanol from cellulose-rich material costs at least twice as much as making it from corn.

Great, so when will we get there?

Some experts estimate that it will take 10 to 15 years before cellulosic ethanol becomes competitive.

For more on the whole ethazol debate for beginners I highly recommend reading Robert Rapier's Lessons from Brazil, which ends with this challenge:

The real lesson from Brazil is that energy independence can be achieved by slashing our energy usage. It is simply not realistic to expect the U.S. to achieve energy independence with biofuels - unless we sharply curb our consumption. The next time you hear someone say we should emulate Brazil's example, ask them to calculate the amount of ethanol this would require, and ask them how we are supposed to produce that much. It is time to start demanding details from the "Brazil believers" In doing so, we may convey the gravity of the situation to those who think ethanol will lead us to energy independence.

Well Said.

Oh god not this again.

If I've said it once I've said it a million times.

Ethanol isn't a fuel policy its a farm subsidy policy.

It makes plenty sense to effectively strip the sugars from corn production to make ethanol when you're left with the protein feed for livestock.

And since the bulk of all corn produced in the US was (historically) used for livestock feed it made sense to "skim off" the ethanol. The effective energy return is much higher because the farming "system" as a whole doesn't use any extra energy, and for the cost of a little Nat Gas (at the distillery) you get a bit of ethanol which could be used locally as an oxygenate in farm state fuel.

What doesn't make any sense is to mandate that the US makes trillions of gallons of the stuff at any cost to blend into gasoline regardless of the cost. That would be silly.

But then silly never stopped US legislators before.....

Andy

"Mama don't take my Post Toasties away"

Sounds kind of corny but we certainly do have a dilemma on our hands. FOOD VS FUEL

"and you can't have one without the other" .....as in love and marriage.

A big thank you to all who contribute to TOD for your time and effort. I am a follower of TOD on a daily basis.........it is a sort of guiding light.

I'm a believer

R Jerome from Phoenix

when you're left with the protein feed for livestock.

Don't forget you can get a fungal bloom and the release of sprouting inhibitors if you use the DDG and a herbicide.

http://www.communitysolution.org/04conf/af1.html

So the dry distillers' grains is a pre-emergent herbicide, in other words it stops weed seeds from sprouting. As soon as they sprout, they die. That's because what I've done by putting this stuff in the soil is I've fed seed-eating fungi and bacteria.

Andy,

So if there's plenty of corn product left after stripping out the alcohol, then why are the livestock feeders freaking out about the shortage of corn?

Why has the price of feed even gone up for them?

Corn gluten is a poor food additive for cattle. Perhaps it can be useful for poultry in small quantities, but the price of DDG has gone down since the rise of ethanol. Perhaps McDonald's will invent a burger-like substance from DDGs which can be deep fried, sweetened and salted, then sold to obese human beings.

As a midwestern pork producer faced head on with a doubling of corn price in six months, I can tell you that there will be reduced meat protein in grocery stores. One 56# bushel of corn yeilds 17# of dry distillers grains. Pigs and chickens can effectively utilize small quantities of DDGS in the diet (about 10-20%). Beef can and are using 40-50%, and can theoretically utilize 100%. before the ethanol boom DDGS delivered was about $200/ton, today it's about $140. Another consideration is the plants eventual use of distillers grain to fuel the plant.

http://www.physorg.com/news78508751.html

The technology involves partial combustion of biomass – that could include corn stalks, distillers grains, waste wood or other biorenewables – to produce a mixture of hydrogen, carbon monoxide, methane and other flammable gases. The resulting mixture is known as producer gas and it can replace natural gas in an ethanol plant's heaters. The producer gas can also be upgraded to what's known as syngas, a mixture that can be converted into high-value transportation fuels, alcohols, hydrogen, ammonia and other chemicals.

Producer gas is made by injecting biomass into a fluidized bed gasifier, a thermal system that pumps air up through a bed of hot sand, creating bubbles and a sand-air pseudo fluid. A reaction between the biomass and the hot sand-air mixture produces flammable gases. The process also generates its own heat to sustain the reaction. It's a system that's reliable, produces few emissions and can be efficiently integrated into a plant's existing natural gas boilers and dryers.

A plants distillers grains will supposedly supply >100% of it's energy needs.

I've heard the economics of this are favorable, perhaps someone knows more about this than I.

You're not the only one to figure out the ag-subsidy angle.

It makes plenty sense to effectively strip the sugars from corn production to make ethanol when you're left with the protein feed for livestock.

The problem with your analysis is that, at 51¢/gallon subsidy and an EROEI of 1.3 at best (and perhaps as low as RR's calculated 1.09), each gallon-equivalent of new energy is receiving at least $2.21 (1.3:1) and possibly as much as $6.18 (1.09:1) in subsidy.

There are a lot of ways to save petroleum at far lower cost than even the lowest estimate.  Ethanol subsidies are money down a rathole.

1.3 * ethanol in = ethanol out
1.3 * 3.33 = 4.33
and observe that ethanol out - ethanol in = 1

If 4.33 gallons are produced and there are no other energy inputs or outputs, 3.33 gallons is used to produce the ethanol and only 1 gallon is aviable for something useful. I assume that some of the wasteproducts could be used to something useful but this must be really bad anyway.

I have tried to save some gasoline by driving a Prius and try to save more by minimizing my automobile trips. The biggest consumers of ethanol will be those who are driving the big thirsty trucks and SUVs, those who are doing virtually nothing to curb their consumption. I guess there is some consolation in the fact that the money I save on gasoline can go to pay for my increased grocery costs.

Who will be the first presidential candidate to reveal the false wizard behind the curtain, the first one to challenge the wizard of ozanol? There will not be a candidate who has the courage to do this as they will try to maintain the ethalusion as long as possible. None of them will have the courage to point out that we have met the enemy and he is us, that we will have to actually cut back our liquid fuel consumption, regardless of the source, that the drive for security is another false goal that will not be fixed by ethanol.

Unfortunately, it looks like the horse is pretty much all the way out of the barn.

I think we are caught in a trap here. Corn ethanol is a boon to the ag industry, mostly ADM I'd guess. However, enough farmers are seeing increased income that they will support it politically. The politicians have figured out that instead of paying tax dollars to farmers they can require the rest of us to burn ethanol inn our cars creating a captive market for the ethanol produced in the midwest. Thus we get instant capitol transfers from the coasts to the midwest.

There is no way this will end till it collapses under its own weight.

Hope you enjoy your Prius. I got one last summer. It is the most fun car I have ever owned. The scuttlebutt is that in a year or two the next major change to the Prius will arrive. Supposedly it will get somewhere around 80mpg and might be have a plug in option. That would be the best. If I could charge my Prius with solar panels on the roof of my house I'd be a happy camper.

Does anyone ever interject population growth into the debate when consumption comes up? Am I wrong in believing that an ever growing population is not the way to go in the face of impending resource shortages? The Sierra Club refuses to take a position on immigration and population growth. Does the The Oil Drum also take a pass?

Nope. Killing everyone except me, my friends and family is OK by me.

Some of your postings are insightful, yet I find that most appear to be maliciously inflammatory and contain either covert or overt personal attacks. In this manner, I believe you detract and do not contribute to the discussion. Without the personal attacks and inflammatory remarks I believe your insights would be valuable.

Cid Yama on March 12, 2007 - 3:26am
What a bunch of drival. Let's see those ASPO Graphs. Let's see those articles where Collin Campbell says peak won't happen for decades yet. Give me a break.

Cid Yama on March 11, 2007 - 10:30pm
...I'm sure there is a special place in hell being prepared for you as we speak...

Cid Yama on March 8, 2007 - 8:24pm
Get a PC. Don't believe that Apple propaganda about feeling warm and fuzzy about those 3 or 4 things you can do with a Mac.

How about some context, shall we?

The Fractionation of lignocellulosic biomass is energy intensive. "In the reactive fractionation step, hemicellulose is most easily hydrolyzed, requiring a
mild alkaline solution and temperatures in the range of 150 to 200 °C (302 to 392 °F). Next,
lignin is removed under more severe conditions requiring a pH above 10, temperatures less than
250 °C (482 °F), the presence of an oxidizing agent, and pressures below 600 psi. The resulting
"clean" cellulose is mostly free of lignin and hemicellulose and is a purified feedstock for
enzymatic hydrolysis." Where do you get the energy to heat your biomass?

http://www.osti.gov/bridge/servlets/purl/807155-kbdGYV/native/807155.pdf

Your statement is also misleading. The govt. is not specifically discussing incentives for converting biomass to ethanol, it IS discussing corn production, and your statement does not address mine that incentives will lead to farmers converting food and livestock feed production to ethanol production.

"Besides, starving children is rarely due to high price of corn. It is mainly due to population explosion and bad government."

I'm sure there is a special place in hell being prepared for you as we speak, high prices for food = demand destruction = starvation. Extremely simple equation. If you think people who cannot afford to eat will just lie down in the streets to die, I suggest you look at France just before the revolution and Czarist Russia just before the revolution.

Picture this. There are a bunch of debunkers making $7.00 hr. sitting at computers in little cubicles. They have a printout telling them what to try next if the previous post was challenged. I believe that is what we have had to deal with here since Stuart's 8% decline article.

Nope. Killing everyone except me, my friends and family is OK by me.

Tis a pity this site gets infested by dorks who respond to a question about population growth with some drivel about killing everyone.

If you can't recognize a joke when you see one, you need to get out more.

If you can't recognize a joke when you see one, you need to get out more.

If you think that was funny you need to get out more.

Drunk is the word.

The entire political structure of this country revolves around decisions made by alcoholics. And it didn't just start. The Western World leader who didn't have a significant alcohol problem has been something of a rarity.

I am 53. Both of my parents were alcoholics. My first 19 years of adulthood was that of a
'practicing alcoholic'. A Driving Under the Influence traffic citation in '90 with a BAC of .283 turned into an opportunity to learn how to quit. I have 17 years of sobriety this month.

It amazes me at times how pervasive alcoholicism is in the US in all levels of society. The celebrity types get MSM notoriety. The other cultural classes pretty much only achieve local notoriety.

It seem to me the practicing alcoholics are a significant subset to the larger population that have to make decisions regarding resource depletion.

Not a good situation for a
successful future.

It has been reported that our Puritan forebears consumed, on average, several times as much alcohol as our present population. The way alcohol was used to destroy the native population, and the outrageous, sanctimonious society they formed suggests something other than religion informed their world view.

I think it continues to be a problem -- to which Prohibition was a poor solution, obviously.

Any stable world order has to get past addiction somehow

Just keep these rough numbers in mind.

Theoretical production of maybe 50 gallons of fuel per acre/year.... by various processes (all of which require considerable energy inputs too.)

Average US auto uses 580 gallans of fuel per year.

Therefore the average US auto requires a dedicated 10 acres of land.

Multiply that times available agricultural land.

Consider impact on food prices, nutrition, biodiversity...

Growing fuel as a crop sure looks like a formula for domestic and planetary disaster.

If I've the numbers wrong, I'd appreciate corrections, but I think the broad parameters are about right.

Just to finish the above thought...

It used to be you needed a certain amount of pasture to feed a horse... how much pasture do you need to feed a car?

This is all about framing for public understanding.

I think it is really valuable to frame the question of transportation fuels in terms of land area.

People know how far they drive.... that's distance... a spatial measurement.

Connecting driving to a land area associated with the gathering of energy enables a mental apples to apples, or at least apples to apples squared comparison (distance compared to area).

Force people to imagine how many acres they would need to control or would need to purchase the bioproductivity/energy capture of in order to do the driving they now do.

How much pasture do you need to feed a car for a year? It's a critical question for the 21st century

It's an intuitive gut level question that forces people to think.

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Along those same lines, does anyone know of a good analysis that would compare the general efficiency of photosynthesis in storing solar energy in chemical bonds and making that energy availble through combustion.... with the efficiency of photovoltaic systems in capturing that same energy and making it available for storage/use?

In other words, take your preferred switchgrass or other optimal biofuel solar energy system on 1 acre and compare its energy capture ability to an acre of PV capture.

I doubt that either will be a reasonable way to run a transportation system, but I'm curious about how silicon and photosynthesis stack up as solar energy collector systems on a per acre basis.

how much pasture do you need to feed a car?

The least amount would be as a wind turbine. For Photon to Transport motion, PV panels.

One of the Maine Harness Racing Commissioners tells me it takes about 2 acres to feed a horse.

cfm in Gray, ME

This is the crux of the problem. We came from a society that more or less lived within its means. We have grown to a much larger society by tapping into a vast pool of stored energy that took millions of years to accumulate. Now we are casting about to find a way to maintain our current standard of living using the old level of inputs.

Just some back of the envelope calculations here...
According to www.sunpowercorp.com I can purchase a 210watt panel that is 13.41 sq ft. An acre is 43,560 sq ft. If I utilize HALF of that acre for sola panels to allow proper exposure to every solar panel I purchase, that is 21,780 sq ft of usable land for my solar farm to power cars. That means I can put 1,624 of these panels on my 1 acre of solar farm land.
1,624 panels * 210 watts = 341,040 watts of power.

341kw * 5 peak solar hours (there would also be additional non-peak hours but we're not counting that for simplicity) would be = 1,705.2kwh PER DAY.

The Toyota Rav4 EV consumes roughly 250wh per mile. If I drive 40 miles per day, that is 10kwh per day that I consume.

1705kwh / 10kwh = 170 Toyota Rav4 EVs powered by 1 acre of solar power every day. Or, to put it another way, one Rav4 EV can be powered on a daily basis by 0.586% of an acre.

Compare THAT to ethanol, and you see just how inefficient ethanol is compared to Solar PV. The best thing about solar is, I can grow solar power on the roof of my house. Can corn growers grow corn on my roof? (Well, they probably could, but geesh.) BTW, I've been lurking here for about 5 months now, and this is my first post. ^_^
~Durandal (Go electric!)

Interesting. If your calculations are correct, that is lots better than the acres needed for ethanol production.

That's basically Pimentel's take on ethanol - it's a far less efficient way of producing energy from the sun than even today's modern solar panels - and it has much less impact on water, soil, food prices, etc.

That's been my argument as well. Direct solar capture is much more efficient than photosynthesis, and as you say has far fewer negative externalities. That's why I believe we need to move to an electric transportation infrastructure.

Fascinating response to my question. Thanks to all of you.

You've just seen one of the things I love about TOD:  when we have a fact which is incontrovertibly true, you will find everyone agreeing with it.  There are no "flat earthers" demanding equal time for their nonsense.

Yes, that seems to be the main issue: Liquid fuel vs. Electricity.

I think a great analysis would be an estimate of the acres available for solar PV collection versus productive farmland times the efficiency range of each in producing energy.

And I like the idea of converting many of our waste streams to electric energy.

Thank you for doing that calculation...

At first I was happy with the implications...

But then I thought, well 0.6 acres / car... that's still considerably more land than a large suburban plot....

43,560 square feet = 1 acre. My house sits on a 50 x 100 foot lot. Let's say the typical house sits on 100 x 100 foot lot, or 1 quarter acre.

Imagine 2 cars / household.... that implies an acre / household... for transportation electricity (Add if you like an additional acre for housing PV electricity generation.)

Implication: For every suburban 1/4 acre house lot we have to occupy an additional 2 to 4 times that space (1/2 to 1 acre) providing electricity for one or two cars.... (Or 2 acres maybe to get the household electricity too.)

Granted we can build these solar collection farms on marginal land... but it's still taking the entire suburban housing infrastructure of the US, and occupying twice that area for transportation energy or four times the area now occupied for transportation plus housing energy use.

That's a lot of dead tortoises and destroyed desert landscapes.

Then there are the transmission losses from say, Nevada generating stations to New York consumers.

Not to mention a lifetime embedded carbon emission and embedded energy analysis for the construction and recycling of silicon PV systems....

I'm not looking for problems... PV seems like a great way to go compared to biofuels for transport but reducing energy consumption is going to have to be part of the equation if we don't want to see much of the planet covered by piss ugly solar collectors. Of course in the near term climate change may create plenty of areas that aren't good for much else anyway.

Thanks again for your analysis Durandal.

I believe you mis-read my post, but that's OK as I should have stated it as a decimal value as opposed to a percentage value.
It would not be .6 acres/car but 0.006 acres/car. (0.586% acre/car is what I had in my post.) In this case, roughly 10 of the example panels at 13.41 sq feet each would be needed for each car, for a total of 134 sq ft. (Easily handled by a home rooftop.)
The ideal situation would be if we had efficient enough panels that could be used in the space that a parking space in a parking lot consumes. The idea being that each spot would have panels above it, and you simply plug in when you get to work, or go shopping, etc. This wouldn't work well for places such as shopping malls with parking garages, but at big box stores or my employer for instance, it would.
In that case, you don't have transmission losses, as you're generating where it is consumed, and if there is any excess generation due to not all of the spaces being occupied by electric cars, the excess can be used to offset the consumption of the home/business/etc where the panels are located using a grid intertie inverter. The charging of your car could either just be a perk of shopping at the store, or it could be fed meter style with a credit card or coins.
~Durandal

Oh damn. Should have quit talking while I was ahead. I see what you wrote now.

Thanks for the correction.

While transmission losses would probably be negligible, one should consider the efficiency of charging the battery, the amount of input kwhr to get a kwhr in battery power. This will increase the amount of panel required per car and drive up the costs somewhat. Also, if you're using grid tie, doesn't that complicate the analysis a little bit in that you are feeding electricity in the grid which will have transmission losses for whomever is consuming the electricity that you fed into the grid.

I am not arguing that this refutes the conclusion that PV would be better than ethanol, I just think that these considerations need to be fed into your analysis.

If you measure the energy requirements at the wall (which I believe I did for Is the tide turning?), the battery losses are included.

Grid-tie is probably more efficient than the alternative; you eliminate a layer of battery storage AND you reduce losses in delivery to the local distribution lines.

For the sake of discussion, let's say that the costs per kwh wouild be what SolarBuzz http://solarbuzz.com/SolarIndices.htm calls an industrial sized system. The costs per kwh for such a system is estimated by SolarBuzz (for sunny area) to be 21.38 cents per kwh. Given your assumption of the Rav4 needsing 10kwh per 40 miles, the cost per mile would be $2.138/40 or $.05345 per mile.

The solarbuzz estimate supposedly considers what are efficiency losses at 10%. Perhaps the efficiency losses for your example should be higher. In other words the input kwh for the system may be greater than the 10kwh to actually run the auto. On the other hand, SolarBuzz using 5.5 a