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It would appear that you are, once again, pulling data out of thin air or, ummm, somewhere else. Where is the data on paper consumption? In addition, paper production is one of the most polluting industries we have. Just because you apparently need to waste paper, doesn't mean that the rest of us will experience a reduced standard of living by using cloth bags, which are reusable.
The energy and other inputs required to produce paper are not renewable any more than the inputs required to produce ethanol are renewable. It is a polluting, energy intensive process. When thrown in a land fill, it might as well almost be plastic given the amount of time it takes to degrade.
Why throw powerplant fuel into landfills?
Funny you should mention this. At Salon today:
"Plastic Bags are Killing Us."
http://salon.com/news/feature/2007/08/10/plastic_bags/
It would appear that you are, once again, pulling data out of thin air or, ummm, somewhere else. Where is the data on paper consumption? In addition, paper production is one of the most polluting industries we have. Just because you apparently need to waste paper, doesn't mean that the rest of us will experience a reduced standard of living by using cloth bags, which are reusable.
Uhmmm...hate to break it to you...pollution isn't the problem it was in the late 60s and early 70s.
Secondly, most of the paper products we use aren't from America's forests anymore.
Cloth bags. Talk about doing the work for ADM. "Heh, heh, we'll save money on bags by convincing them they should bring cloth bags...", you want to be a tool of big Agriculture, be my guest.
geez, I guess you can fool some of the people all of the time (except me as I'm on to their game.
BRussellNM,
"...pollution isn't the problem it was in the late 60s and early 70s."
You might want to reevaluate...
http://www.orionmagazine.org/index.php/articles/article/270/
Paper consumption is up about 10 times what it was before the computer became a household item. Everything is sent out in triplicate and printed four times to get it right, Instead of having a meeting over lunch to discuss it.
"Pollution isn't a problem"
Have you ever lived near a paper mill? The paper process itself isn't necessary. The modern sulfuric acid process which replaced hemp and created the Anti-Marijuana Government/Police Complex was a stock investment/crooked politician conspiracy of the Hearst family. Look it up.
Hemp bags, woven by hand. Baskets made from swamp reeds.
There's a lot of people in New York who will have nothing to do when the stock market melts.
tstreet,
Paper degrades very well in a compost heap, Worms love it, as well as ,unfortunately, termites and roaches. We have people around TOD who worry about fertiliser after the peak. Worm castings make a premium fertiliser. the only secret is keep the paper wet enough to be edible by the worms. Go to any decent garden supply and look in the organic fertiliser section...duh...its about 3 times the cost of chemical fertiliser
Many people are interested in a small farm as a way to survive the energy downslope. Worm farms are an excellent source of fish bait, or worms can be fed to chickens or farm-raised fish. The secret is to raise your bed, put screen in the bottom and collect the falling worm crap as fertiliser. Then you don't have to stoop to dig worms, and the worm castings can be collected on sheet plastic or recycled plywood, swept up put in a paper bag and sold. Worms themselves can either be sold or bartered for fish.
Paper, if clean, is also recyclable. Recycling companies buy it . Havent you ever noticed the bales of cardboard behind supermarkets? How about the dumpsters behind schools where they sell used paper to help pay for school items like band uniforms? Why do cities collect it and sell it at recycling centers? In Houston they even have probationers working off their community service sepatating paper, glass and plastic from the trash stream.
Tree farms help absorb CO2, and yes, they are renewable. They help both clean the atmosphere and since they absorb light, are positive on global warming. Tree farms, lumbering and paper mills are decent local jobs, and before we exported all those manufacturing jobs to China, the US made millions of tons of paper. Now we send bales of cardboard boxes around half the world. The container ships that go back to China after bringing in Wallmart crap go back with our recyclables-paper, used metals, and cotton rags for the better grades of paper. And this has to change back to the old, frugal methods or our whole world is doomed. And, theres talk of charcoal for terra preta all the time on this site. Paper would make a good source of cellulose.
Sometimes I get astounded at this site. We've got some true scientists and experts, and we also have a bunch of ninnies who talk through their ass. Talking about a forest as non renewable or how paper clutters up landfills when it should be recycled is just stupidity and insulting BMRussellNM and a putting him down is just abhorant and ignorant. Is this a hen party where we pick scapegoats apart?
My grandfather, Eugene D. Ebersole ran the Lumberman's Association of Texas from 1943 until he retired in 1969. Lumbering was the third largest industry in the state for many years, behind cattle and oil. I've recycled for 35 years, and had gardens since I was a kid. And I'm proud of my grandfather. He was a WWI hero, won the French Croix de Guerre for carrying out wounded French soldiers on a stetcher in the Argonne Forest. He was a perfect gentleman, and personally kind. He was a conservative, but of the old fashioned type who was frugal and hard working and believed in the Bill of Rights. Besides his service in running a trade association, he was a fundraiser for the Republican Party on a part time basis, and I loved him and miss him still sometimes.He also kept his family in good style through the great depression, which started when he was about 33 with a wife and two children.
Bob Ebersole