My personal experiences line up pretty well. People often think that a small and light car must inherently be a coffin on wheels and no physics or statistics based argument will convince them otherwise.

Moral arguments fail completely too. They give no consideration that heavier vehicles do more damage in pretty much all respects (car crashes, pedestrian hits, road wear, blocking visibility [assuming the vehicle is equally high], etc).

RE: "Cars R Coffins"

This is a website run by the guy who came up with the slogan "Cars R Coffins." He refers to all cars, of course.

http://www.carsrcoffins.com/welcome.php

The shirts and hoodies and such he sells have the slogan along with an image of a coffin on wheels with the license plate "666" on it. They are pretty cool.

The coffee shop by that name here in Minneapolis also has a bike shop.

Check out the shirts and stuff -- pretty cool!

The way to perpetuate a world in which moral arguments fail is to endlessly repeat the message, "Moral arguments fail completely too".

We could contend that moral arguments are futile in reference to a whole range of topics - racism and sexism, universal elementary education, graft and the purchase of elections, etc.

Hans Noeldner

"Civilization is the presence of enlightened self-restraint"